Crassus 8:52 Wed Oct 22
Ottawa lockdown after shootings
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Religion of peace or local piss heads
Place your bets
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cholo
7:56 Fri Oct 24
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Golden Oldie wrote...
There is no justification for the displacement of a native people from their own homeland any place, anytime anywhere...
It's a good job it isn't happening anywhere you seem to think it is then.
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PAUL
6:16 Fri Oct 24
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http://thechronicleherald.ca/editorial-cartoon/2014-10-23-editorial-cartoon
Sums it up rather well I feel .
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ironsofcanada
6:09 Fri Oct 24
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Golden Oldie 5:58 Fri Oct 24
If you are going to go by that philosophy, it really shouldn't be called England should it?
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Golden Oldie
5:58 Fri Oct 24
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Cholo
"If you can justify invading another race 's land and destroying it's culture"
There is no justification for the displacement of a native people from their own homeland any place, anytime anywhere...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW_q4nJmmT8
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cholo
3:16 Fri Oct 24
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Golden Oldie
Thanks for the link but it's far from conclusive.
If you can justify invading another race 's land and destroying it's culture, what are you complaining about zionists for?
I suppose you think anti racist is code for anti white?
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ironsofcanada
3:10 Fri Oct 24
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Golden Oldie 3:00 Fri Oct 24
The rabbi writing that article actually has a very different understanding of what the word means than you do.
I also pretty sure I know Steven Harper a little better than you do. I met him as a young political activist in 1988 and few times since and I never felt hated in the slightest. Not perfect but better than a lot of politicians.
Whomail Ron, and keep the silly time off the main board.
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Golden Oldie
3:00 Fri Oct 24
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Stephen Harper is a zionist.
He hates Canada and the Canadian people.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/01/19/harper_shows_you_dont_have_to_be_jewish_to_be_a_zionist_marmur.html
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ironsofcanada
2:45 Fri Oct 24
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Golden Oldie 2:29 Fri Oct 24
Have you been talking to Ron on the night shift because I struggling to get your point.
Zionism?
Your video told me what I already knew, Steven Harper is the whitest guy in the world and can't sing. Despite which I quite like him and that isn't just nationalism because I have really disliked a number of his predecessors.
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bruuuno
2:36 Fri Oct 24
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just wacthec the vidoe footage, those canadians dont half know how to run
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ironsofcanada
2:33 Fri Oct 24
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Organi5ed Chao5 11:44 Fri Oct 24
You are expressing classic liberal dilemmas which are important but not novel.
I agree with a lot of it but it's nothing new about it, which is what you were saying before. We cared a lot less before and that is the way our societies evolved. Very slowly we have learned/ are learning that the "Other" is 1) also a human being and 2) we should care about them. However, there only so much we can do and care about.
It is therefore not surprising we care about things closest to us and then work out. Like you say about terrorism, objectively there is no justification for the media acting this way but there are reasons it happens that are pretty basically human.
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Golden Oldie
2:29 Fri Oct 24
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Cholo
Did American Indians develop America into one of the highest civiliations of our time or was it Europeans?
Stone-age Europeans 'were the first to set foot on North America' some 10,000 years before American Indians.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9110838/Stone-age-Europeans-were-the-first-to-set-foot-on-North-America.html
Even if you want to argue that American Indians were there first, the subject was the European society of Canada, who I pointed out was under foreign occupation, like all other European nations.
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LondonE3
2:17 Fri Oct 24
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Organi5ed Chao5 11:44 Fri Oct 24
Its not Iraqis or Afghans attacking us though is it. Its Britons. They choose to fight against their home nation.
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cholo
2:11 Fri Oct 24
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Golden
Erm, if anyone is, aren't native American Indians the ones under "foreign occupation" in North America?
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Golden Oldie
2:01 Fri Oct 24
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Reading Far Cough's comments brought up an important point reminding us of the suffering that our European cousins all over the world and Canada are going through while under foreign occupation still to this day.
Don't watch within an hour after eating it will be sure to turn your stomach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCgnmROBczU
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Organi5ed Chao5
11:44 Fri Oct 24
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IronsOfCanada
When we dont give a shit about people in certain other countries, this is where a decision to go to war with them, invade or exploit them becomes easy.
When this country or a group of people then rebel and fight this, we wonder why? We then scratch our heads when they turn around and call us the enemy.
Not for a second will i justify terrorism etc but we cant be blind to the fact that decisions and actions we take will often have consequences. We obliterate Iraq, place years of horrendous sanctions, invade and obliterate again, install a bullshit regime then civil war breaks out and we pretend its nothing to do with us.
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Takashi Miike
4:10 Fri Oct 24
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gavros, just read fatah's article. it makes you wonder what the Canadian government are trying to achieve by welcoming the trio of somalian jihadis and not arresting them. almost encouraging the carnage rather than stamping down on it
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Gavros
3:46 Fri Oct 24
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interesting documentary here
http://tarekfatah.com/islam-vs-islamists/
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Gavros
3:37 Fri Oct 24
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just watched an interview with Tariq Fatah who writes for the Toronto Sun, who was incredibly frank about it. Said that Muslims have been blind for years to some of the reactionary statements in the Muslim scriptures, and while they have ignored it, extremists have jumped upon it. Well worth looking him up.
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mentor
9:11 Thu Oct 23
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Yes and the sooner they fuck off the better.
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ironsofcanada
9:10 Thu Oct 23
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Organi5ed Chao5 7:34 Thu Oct 23
I don't think "Us and Them" is new or growing, in fact I think is shrinking if slowly. The difference in the acceptability of racism in my life time is a slightly encouraging sign for me.
The "Other" has always been the antagonist, the other cave, the other village, city, country, ideology. Pretty much every culture in history has considered "Us" to be superior and therefore of more worth as compared to "Them", until proved wrong.
We now know more about a lot more people than we ever have in history. 200 years ago, most people had a village or even if in a city, a community, to care for and worry about. Our communication technology means, in my opinion, we know about a lot more people than we can do anything for, which is always going cause some kind of disconnect.
The same technology is what is allowing such low-tech terrorism as yesterday's to exist and thrive. (Assuming this latest attack is part of something bigger, even other Canadian Muslim converts are expressing doubts about this guy's mental state and not in suicide bomber way.)
I guess the short of is that I am not sure our society is made for the information and communication we have access to. Whether it will adapt, we will see. Some have before, some have not but again I don't think any of them were as interconnected.
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mentor
8:56 Thu Oct 23
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I got high with a girl I met in the Rhinoserous and her mun on the banks of the Detroit river in Windsor. They completely fucked with my mind, but fair play, I should have seen it coming. I like Canadians too.
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